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Re: Petition against proposed tampering laws.
Reply #10 on: 21 Dec 21, 04:18:34
Oh well, it's up up to 102 522 now.  :001:
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Re: Petition against proposed tampering laws.
Reply #11 on: 21 Dec 21, 05:11:47
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Reply #12 on: 21 Dec 21, 06:26:41
 I think the petition has value.
 If nothing else just mentioning it here and other forums has increased awareness of what is potentially forthcoming.
 If everyone takes the attitude that "oh it's only emissions and loud exhausts" and turns away you can be sure there will be numerous other restrictions placed on us and our hobby behind your back.
 Lets face it the authorities just don't like us and what we do and just like they have with CBT, A1, A2 and all the bollocks required to get on two wheels these days they won't miss an opportunity to put in place other obstacles that diminish our pleasure. Anything that is deliberately vague in the wording of the new rules is unlikely to be to our benefit.
 
 If anyone has a bike with a snatchy throttle (not the SX as a rule) then get it remapped before your local ECU tuner is out of business. Hopefully the technology to detect it's been "tampered" with won't become part of the MOT and it can stay that way, but who knows?
 

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Re: Petition against proposed tampering laws.
Reply #13 on: 21 Dec 21, 11:51:25
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Re: Petition against proposed tampering laws.
Reply #14 on: 22 Dec 21, 06:53:24
Government responded:

The intention of the consultation proposal is to prevent modifications that negatively impact on road safety, vehicle security and the environment.

Our ‘Future of Transport’ work is a broad and ambitious programme focused on supporting the industry. The regulatory review aims to ensure our transport regulations are fit for the future.

As part of the Future of Transport: Modernising Vehicle Standards regulatory review, we have put forward proposals to enable Government to better target and prevent harmful tampering with vehicle emission control systems, as well as with safety and security critical systems, parts and components.

We are not proposing that all modifications be prevented, and we recognise there are legitimate reasons why a vehicle owner or business may want to modify a vehicle. Our proposals are not intended to hinder activities such as motorsports, restoration, repairs, or legitimate improvements and alterations to vehicles, or indeed do any damage to the businesses involved in these activities.

Nevertheless, certain modifications can negatively affect the safety and health of the vehicle owner, its occupants, other road users, and the wider population.

Tampering activities that prevent a vehicle’s emissions system from operating correctly, such as the removal of the diesel particulate filter from a vehicle’s exhaust, can significantly increase a vehicle’s harmful pollutant emissions.

Therefore, as vehicles become increasingly automated, we want to prevent alterations to a vehicle’s integral software and sensing technologies which could create safety and security risks. A badly modified vehicle has the potential to kill its occupants and other road users. It is also essential that we ensure modern vehicles remain cyber secure throughout their lifetime, and that any modifications do not make them vulnerable to malicious cyber-attacks.

The MOT test is an important part of ensuring that vehicles on our roads are safe and roadworthy. However, we must also recognise that the MOT test is fundamentally an inspection of a vehicle as presented at the time of a test and can only be a simple check.

There are risks in relying solely upon the MOT test to tackle harmful tampering. For example, it only includes basic checks for the presence and/or function of certain emissions control equipment and is not proof that the relevant emissions standards are being met. It is therefore important that we also have the powers to target and prevent tampering activities that negatively affect road safety, vehicle security and the environment.

We opened a consultation on these measures on 28 September, which closed on 22 November. The Government will consider all responses received and publish a consultation response summarising the responses and setting out the next steps. Any legislative proposals taken forward will be carefully defined so they do not prevent vehicle owners or businesses from making legitimate modifications to vehicles.

Department for Transport

Click this link to view the response online:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/600954?reveal_response=yes

This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.

The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee:
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Re: Petition against proposed tampering laws.
Reply #15 on: 22 Dec 21, 10:02:48
as well as with safety and security critical systems, parts and components.

To me that would include: suspension, brake pads, disks, brake lines, brake levers, tyres, etc. If we went down the German TUV licensing route that would be fine with me. However this would no doubt affect the number of suppliers - I can't imagine the Chinese bothering, but the likes of Puig, etc., already do.

Tyre sizes in Germany (e.g.) cannot be changed without the right paperwork. To me that makes sense, but there are many bike users who like to change their tyre profile.

We wait and see. But I do think that making our voice heard is a good thing - and surely the likes of Pipeworx, R&G, Maxton, etc, etc., must have been commenting!

 
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Re: Petition against proposed tampering laws.
Reply #16 on: 22 Dec 21, 12:06:13
We wait and see. But I do think that making our voice heard is a good thing - and surely the likes of Pipeworx, R&G, Maxton, etc, etc., must have been commenting!

I would also like to think that those industries are commenting, but this thing came out of the blue for us all and the consultation period was shortened TWICE!!
Theres no doubt in my mind that not only was this designed to take a lot of us unaware, but it was yet another deliberate attempt at taking our freedoms away. The timing with COP26 was a big flag to me.
Ultimately, the goal being complete (or near) vehicle automation and very few people being allowed to own and drive their own vehicle.

That day may well be a long time off, but they have to start somewhere and there are plenty of global industries i.e Amazon that are investing heavily into automated driving systems.


 



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